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	'''"The Death of Socrates"''' is the first section of ''[[334]]''. It first appeared with the title "Problems of Creativeness" in {{ISFDB\|60955\|''The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction'', April 1967}}.		'''"The Death of Socrates"''' is the first section of ''[[334]]''. It first appeared with the title "Problems of Creativeness" in {{ISFDB\|60955\|''The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction'', April 1967}}.

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	=== 334 East 11th Street ===		=== 334 East 11th Street ===
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	The Manhattan address where most of the novel takes place, located near the corner of 11th and First Avenue, three blocks from Stuyvesant Town and five blocks from the East River.		The Manhattan address where most of the novel takes place, located near the corner of 11th and First Avenue, three blocks from Stuyvesant Town and five blocks from the East River.

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	The Manhattan address where most of the novel takes place, located near the corner of 11th and First Avenue, three blocks from Stuyvesant Town and five blocks from the East River.		The Manhattan address where most of the novel takes place, located near the corner of 11th and First Avenue, three blocks from Stuyvesant Town and five blocks from the East River.

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	=== 334 East 11th Street ===		=== 334 East 11th Street ===
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	The Manhattan address where most of the novel takes place, located near the corner of 11th and First Avenue, three blocks from Stuyvesant Town and five blocks from the East River.		The Manhattan address where most of the novel takes place, located near the corner of 11th and First Avenue, three blocks from Stuyvesant Town and five blocks from the East River.

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	'''"The Death of Socrates"''' is the first section of ''[[334]]''. It first appeared with the title "Problems of Creativeness" in ''The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction'', April 1967.		'''"The Death of Socrates"''' is the first section of ''[[334]]''. It first appeared with the title "Problems of Creativeness" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60955 ''The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction'', April 1967].

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	Signs of the general shortage of natural resources in the future: eggs produced artifically by [[wikipedia:Tissue culture\|tissue culture]], and a coffee substitute (which, as we learn later, also contains Morbehanine).		Signs of the general shortage of natural resources in the future: eggs produced artifically by [[wikipedia:Tissue culture\|tissue culture]], and a coffee substitute (which, as we learn later, also contains Morbehanine).

	There's a long tradition in science fiction of imaginary coffee-like substances. In some cases these sound organic ("klah" in the [[wikipedia:Dragonriders of Pern\|Pern]] books), but more often they have 1950s-style brand names that connote fakeness ("Coffiest" in ''{{wp\|The Space Merchants}}'', "Kaff" in ''[[wikipedia:The Divine Invasion\|The Divine Invasion]]''). Disch (like Harry Harrison in ''Make Room! Make Room!'') has, presumably on purpose, used the least creative term imaginable: it can't be distinguished from "coffee" even by pronunciation.		There's a long tradition in science fiction of imaginary coffee-like substances. In some cases these sound organic ("klah" in the [[wikipedia:Dragonriders of Pern\|Pern]] books), but more often they have 1950s-style brand names that connote fakeness ("Coffiest" in ''{{wp\|The Space Merchants}}'', "Kaff" in ''[[wikipedia:The Divine Invasion\|The Divine Invasion]]''). Disch (like Harry Harrison in ''Make Room! Make Room!'', where New Yorkers drank "Koffy") has, presumably on purpose, used the least creative term imaginable: it can't be distinguished from "coffee" even by pronunciation.

	=== Problems of Creativeness ===		=== Problems of Creativeness ===

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	Signs of the general shortage of natural resources in the future: eggs produced artifically by [[wikipedia:Tissue culture\|tissue culture]], and a coffee substitute (which, as we learn later, also contains Morbehanine).		Signs of the general shortage of natural resources in the future: eggs produced artifically by [[wikipedia:Tissue culture\|tissue culture]], and a coffee substitute (which, as we learn later, also contains Morbehanine).

	There's a long tradition in science fiction of imaginary coffee-like substances. In some cases these sound organic ("klah" in the [[wikipedia:Dragonriders of Pern\|Pern]] books), but more often they have 1950s-style brand names that connote fakeness ("Coffiest" in ''{{wp\|The Space Merchants}}'', "Kaff" in ''[[wikipedia:The Divine Invasion\|The Divine Invasion]]''). Disch has, presumably on purpose, used the least creative term imaginable: it can't be distinguished from "coffee" even by pronunciation.		There's a long tradition in science fiction of imaginary coffee-like substances. In some cases these sound organic ("klah" in the [[wikipedia:Dragonriders of Pern\|Pern]] books), but more often they have 1950s-style brand names that connote fakeness ("Coffiest" in ''{{wp\|The Space Merchants}}'', "Kaff" in ''[[wikipedia:The Divine Invasion\|The Divine Invasion]]''). Disch (like Harry Harrison in ''Make Room! Make Room!'') has, presumably on purpose, used the least creative term imaginable: it can't be distinguished from "coffee" even by pronunciation.

	=== Problems of Creativeness ===		=== Problems of Creativeness ===

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	=== a population of three thousand ... excluding temps ===		=== a population of three thousand ... excluding temps ===
	As described later in [[334 Part III (24)]], "temps" are basically homeless people sleeping in hallways and stairwells. This was also a feature of the overcrowded future New ~~York~~ in ''{{wp\|The Space Merchants}}'' (1952), and ''{{wp:Make Room! Make Room!}}'' (1966). Birdie is "temporary on the sixteenth-floor landing."		As described later in [[334 Part III (24)]], "temps" are basically homeless people sleeping in hallways and stairwells. This was also a feature of the overcrowded future New Yorks in ''{{wp\|The Space Merchants}}'' (1952), and ''{{wp\|Make Room! Make Room!}}'' (1966). Birdie is "temporary on the sixteenth-floor landing."

	=== Some old lady lugging a bag of groceries ===		=== Some old lady lugging a bag of groceries ===